Comments on: No, The Twilight Saga Is Not Porn For Women http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women Ms Naughty looks at porn for women, the adult industry and sex in general. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:04:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v= hourly 1 By: Porn For Women Retrospective 2010 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-191613 Porn For Women Retrospective 2010 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:04:32 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-191613 [...] * The Twilight books and films were so popular that some took to calling the saga “porn for women”. I disagreed. [...] [...] * The Twilight books and films were so popular that some took to calling the saga “porn for women”. I disagreed. [...]

]]> By: msnaughty http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-172813 msnaughty Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:51:43 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-172813 Cole, I'm nodding along with all these issues. You're right about the baby too; I was ready to strangle her for the stupidity of it all. And yet the series has some kind of weird hold on me. I still liked it. St Clair you also make good points about the problems presented by these characters. Cole, I’m nodding along with all these issues. You’re right about the baby too; I was ready to strangle her for the stupidity of it all. And yet the series has some kind of weird hold on me. I still liked it.

St Clair you also make good points about the problems presented by these characters.

]]> By: Cole http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-172806 Cole Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:41:18 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-172806 I agree that the series is not porn in the literal sense. It is, however, self-gratifying for young, sexually repressed women. That being said, I have a lot of the same objections to the series that most feminists do. It's annoying that Bella is essentially powerless until she fully ties herself to Edward. I also came to hate how whiney it often was, and was really pissed at the last book of the series, because Bella stopped caring about Edward as soon as she (stupidly) popped out the demon baby. The books were all anticipation and no action. It was all dragged out for too long. Then, aside from there being almost no sex, there was also no biting. I'll take almost any vampire writer over Stephanie Meyer. I agree that the series is not porn in the literal sense. It is, however, self-gratifying for young, sexually repressed women.
That being said, I have a lot of the same objections to the series that most feminists do. It’s annoying that Bella is essentially powerless until she fully ties herself to Edward.
I also came to hate how whiney it often was, and was really pissed at the last book of the series, because Bella stopped caring about Edward as soon as she (stupidly) popped out the demon baby.
The books were all anticipation and no action. It was all dragged out for too long. Then, aside from there being almost no sex, there was also no biting.
I’ll take almost any vampire writer over Stephanie Meyer.

]]> By: St Clair http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-171362 St Clair Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:41:48 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-171362 I am one of the haters for a number of reasons, but I understand where you're coming from. That being said, there are parts of the stories that disgust me. I understand that it is teenage "literature" but there are some things that are inexcusable. Bella's character is self-absorbed to the point of potential self-harm in order to feel Edward's presence. Yet, because she's a teen, her behaviour gets written off as typical teen acting out, if not acceptable behaviour. I'm sorry, but there is a difference between 'emotionally honest" and "pandering to teen angst" Edward's character is seen as a perpetual teen because he doesn't age, yet he's not, is he? The idea that if it looks young enough then it's okay is not one that I would like teens of today to be presented with. These are only a few of the possibly damaging ideas that are presented in the Twilight series and why I am vehemently opposed to them. All that being said, you've brought up some interesting points about the difference between simple wish-fulfillment and pornography, even if people aren't using the phrase "porn for women" in a literal sense. I am one of the haters for a number of reasons, but I understand where you’re coming from. That being said, there are parts of the stories that disgust me. I understand that it is teenage “literature” but there are some things that are inexcusable.

Bella’s character is self-absorbed to the point of potential self-harm in order to feel Edward’s presence. Yet, because she’s a teen, her behaviour gets written off as typical teen acting out, if not acceptable behaviour. I’m sorry, but there is a difference between ‘emotionally honest” and “pandering to teen angst”

Edward’s character is seen as a perpetual teen because he doesn’t age, yet he’s not, is he? The idea that if it looks young enough then it’s okay is not one that I would like teens of today to be presented with.

These are only a few of the possibly damaging ideas that are presented in the Twilight series and why I am vehemently opposed to them.

All that being said, you’ve brought up some interesting points about the difference between simple wish-fulfillment and pornography, even if people aren’t using the phrase “porn for women” in a literal sense.

]]> By: Aj http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-169161 Aj Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:19:51 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-169161 I don't know how good it is, but I'm sure I've seen ads for a porn spoof of Twilight. I don’t know how good it is, but I’m sure I’ve seen ads for a porn spoof of Twilight.

]]> By: Virtual Sex and Vampires - Midweek Links | Dirty | Sexy | Pretty | Fun http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2010/02/09/no-the-twilight-saga-is-not-porn-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-168881 Virtual Sex and Vampires - Midweek Links | Dirty | Sexy | Pretty | Fun Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:17:28 +0000 http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/?p=1751#comment-168881 [...] I haven’t rushed out to read the Twilight saga for various reasons, first among them being that I’m not into the ’sparkling’ beautiful vampire modern myth created by American publishers to appeal to female teenagers, when vampires are more closely related to serial killers in modern culture and I don’t like the idea of female submission (and potential suicide over a man) being promoted as a good thing in teenagers when the economies of this world are all fucked up and require women, just as men, to carve out identities and careers; you have to have mettle to be independent and survive in this world. Besides, co-dependent relationships aren’t good in the long run, besides, if you were a 100 year old vampire with so many experiences and, I’m supposing, confidence, why would you be interested in an emo teenager in the form of Bella -Lip Biter – Swann?  One thing I do agree with is that Twilight isn’t porn. And the only reason I know that is because some of my friends are filled with the same anticipation that they were filled with as teenagers reading Mills and Boon romance novels. Read why Twilight isn’t porn, here. [...] [...] I haven’t rushed out to read the Twilight saga for various reasons, first among them being that I’m not into the ’sparkling’ beautiful vampire modern myth created by American publishers to appeal to female teenagers, when vampires are more closely related to serial killers in modern culture and I don’t like the idea of female submission (and potential suicide over a man) being promoted as a good thing in teenagers when the economies of this world are all fucked up and require women, just as men, to carve out identities and careers; you have to have mettle to be independent and survive in this world. Besides, co-dependent relationships aren’t good in the long run, besides, if you were a 100 year old vampire with so many experiences and, I’m supposing, confidence, why would you be interested in an emo teenager in the form of Bella -Lip Biter – Swann?  One thing I do agree with is that Twilight isn’t porn. And the only reason I know that is because some of my friends are filled with the same anticipation that they were filled with as teenagers reading Mills and Boon romance novels. Read why Twilight isn’t porn, here. [...]

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