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	<title>Comments on: Good Porn For Good Girls Comments</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: msnaughty</title>
		<link>http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2007/11/07/good-porn-for-good-girls-comments/#comment-84314</link>
		<dc:creator>msnaughty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all breaks out when I'm away... I've only just logged on and approved your comment, Erika, sorry about the delay. And thanks so much for it too!

I wish I had time to make a proper comment but I'm on a crap connection right now and a long way from home... Ah well, I'll back into the swing of things soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all breaks out when I&#8217;m away&#8230; I&#8217;ve only just logged on and approved your comment, Erika, sorry about the delay. And thanks so much for it too!</p>
<p>I wish I had time to make a proper comment but I&#8217;m on a crap connection right now and a long way from home&#8230; Ah well, I&#8217;ll back into the swing of things soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Waking Vixen &#187; Feminist porn wars (new and improved!) (not really)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waking Vixen &#187; Feminist porn wars (new and improved!) (not really)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] idea of What is Feminist. Here&#8217;s a bit of her post (her words in italics) that both Erika and Ms Naughty have nabbed for their posts, and I&#8217;ll break it down a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] idea of What is Feminist. Here&#8217;s a bit of her post (her words in italics) that both Erika and Ms Naughty have nabbed for their posts, and I&#8217;ll break it down a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Lust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Lust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can't a feminist enjoy a blowjob???
 

I participated in a debate about women and porn in the last Berlin PornFilmFestival together with other female filmmakers, and as usual when speaking about sex, porn, feminism, porn for women and porn by women we didnâ€™t quite all agree on all matters. I think that itâ€™s great to see new women entering the porn business and showing their points of view behind the cameras as creators, directors and producers. These women should be able to express their sexuality without limits, the same way as male directors have been doing for ages.

But itâ€™s a pity that certain women devote their time and energy pulling down the work of other women, instead of focusing on empowering our different approaches and points of view. It is not the first time and it wonâ€™t be the last time that a woman disapproves how other women are obtaining power and voice in a world still dominated by men. This new female porn war is not as the pro-sex feminists against no-porn feminists war, now itâ€™s about what is considered to be the right kind of sex for a feminist... (is there such a thing as â€œrightâ€ sex and â€œwrongâ€ sex???)

After the debate, Petra Joy, a female porn producer, wrote in her in her Blog:

â€œI believe that any female filmmaker has he right to show whatever she wants in her films but we should be cautious with our content if we claim to make â€œfeminist pornâ€. I would like to empower women and this is why I choose to focus on women receiving pleasure rather than just giving it, and I also prefer to show orgasms in different ways such as showing the loverâ€™s faces, rather than ending every scene with a male cum-shot over the womanâ€™s body. If we produce films and call them â€œfemale friendlyâ€ or â€œfeministâ€ yet the actual sexual content still focuses mainly on male pleasure and copies a commercially successful mainstream porn formula, then the powerful words that should have a very deep meaning are being mocked and hijacked as a marketing gimmick. Feminism is committed to equality of the sexes, so surely â€œfeminist pornâ€ should show women as equals to men rather than as subservient beings. A woman receiving head, a woman fucking a guy with a strap-on, a guy tasting his own cum and also to feature female ejaculation â€“ those techniques that show a woman in control might be â€œfeminist pornâ€. If you want to show cum on a womanâ€™s face thatâ€™s fine but donâ€™t call it feminist.â€


Isnâ€™t it funny? We have a new fundamentalist movement going on here: the Church of the Pure Feminist Porn Producers, and they are declaring that certain sexual practices that me and other women across the world happen to like, are a sin, and that we should be expelled from their pure circle. Well, guess what? I do not want to be part of a club that tells me what itâ€™s ok to do in my bedroom or to portrait in my films, because last time I checked that was called censorship.

Ehh, it all makes me kind of wanna quit feminism and just be a HUMAN BEING, for me this is the goal of feminism anyway. But â€œbeing a feministâ€ is for me as obvious as that white and black people should have the same rights.

I donâ€™t believe that the word â€œfeministâ€ can be applied on sexual practices. Thatâ€™s like saying that red is a feminist color and blue isnâ€™t or fish is feminist but not meat. According to Petra, it's feminist to suck dildos, but it's not feminist to suck cocks??? And if there's a man in the scene, he should be fucked up his butt - a man fucked up his butt is feminist, but a woman fucked up her butt is not? Come on!

I consider myself a feminist no matter my sexual activities. I believe that feminism is about equality of the sexes, about women having the same rights and possibilities as men, about women having the right to be looked upon as human beings at firsthand and not defined by what is supposed to be feminine. For me â€œfeminist pornâ€ is porn that shows real women and real men having real sex, not just women obedient to men reproducing classic power structures, not just objectified women, not just women giving pleasure but also receiving pleasure. Itâ€™s all about not falling into the stereotyping of characters that most porn filmmakers use, not every woman has to be a prostitute and not every man a mafia gangster. For me feminist porn should portray womenâ€™s fantasies and desires â€“ all of them. I certainly know that a woman can be a strong feminist and still wanting to be taken strongly by a man or enjoying blowing a manâ€™s cock or having his cum all over her face.

Erika Lust</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t a feminist enjoy a blowjob???</p>
<p>I participated in a debate about women and porn in the last Berlin PornFilmFestival together with other female filmmakers, and as usual when speaking about sex, porn, feminism, porn for women and porn by women we didnâ€™t quite all agree on all matters. I think that itâ€™s great to see new women entering the porn business and showing their points of view behind the cameras as creators, directors and producers. These women should be able to express their sexuality without limits, the same way as male directors have been doing for ages.</p>
<p>But itâ€™s a pity that certain women devote their time and energy pulling down the work of other women, instead of focusing on empowering our different approaches and points of view. It is not the first time and it wonâ€™t be the last time that a woman disapproves how other women are obtaining power and voice in a world still dominated by men. This new female porn war is not as the pro-sex feminists against no-porn feminists war, now itâ€™s about what is considered to be the right kind of sex for a feminist&#8230; (is there such a thing as â€œrightâ€ sex and â€œwrongâ€ sex???)</p>
<p>After the debate, Petra Joy, a female porn producer, wrote in her in her Blog:</p>
<p>â€œI believe that any female filmmaker has he right to show whatever she wants in her films but we should be cautious with our content if we claim to make â€œfeminist pornâ€. I would like to empower women and this is why I choose to focus on women receiving pleasure rather than just giving it, and I also prefer to show orgasms in different ways such as showing the loverâ€™s faces, rather than ending every scene with a male cum-shot over the womanâ€™s body. If we produce films and call them â€œfemale friendlyâ€ or â€œfeministâ€ yet the actual sexual content still focuses mainly on male pleasure and copies a commercially successful mainstream porn formula, then the powerful words that should have a very deep meaning are being mocked and hijacked as a marketing gimmick. Feminism is committed to equality of the sexes, so surely â€œfeminist pornâ€ should show women as equals to men rather than as subservient beings. A woman receiving head, a woman fucking a guy with a strap-on, a guy tasting his own cum and also to feature female ejaculation â€“ those techniques that show a woman in control might be â€œfeminist pornâ€. If you want to show cum on a womanâ€™s face thatâ€™s fine but donâ€™t call it feminist.â€</p>
<p>Isnâ€™t it funny? We have a new fundamentalist movement going on here: the Church of the Pure Feminist Porn Producers, and they are declaring that certain sexual practices that me and other women across the world happen to like, are a sin, and that we should be expelled from their pure circle. Well, guess what? I do not want to be part of a club that tells me what itâ€™s ok to do in my bedroom or to portrait in my films, because last time I checked that was called censorship.</p>
<p>Ehh, it all makes me kind of wanna quit feminism and just be a HUMAN BEING, for me this is the goal of feminism anyway. But â€œbeing a feministâ€ is for me as obvious as that white and black people should have the same rights.</p>
<p>I donâ€™t believe that the word â€œfeministâ€ can be applied on sexual practices. Thatâ€™s like saying that red is a feminist color and blue isnâ€™t or fish is feminist but not meat. According to Petra, it&#8217;s feminist to suck dildos, but it&#8217;s not feminist to suck cocks??? And if there&#8217;s a man in the scene, he should be fucked up his butt - a man fucked up his butt is feminist, but a woman fucked up her butt is not? Come on!</p>
<p>I consider myself a feminist no matter my sexual activities. I believe that feminism is about equality of the sexes, about women having the same rights and possibilities as men, about women having the right to be looked upon as human beings at firsthand and not defined by what is supposed to be feminine. For me â€œfeminist pornâ€ is porn that shows real women and real men having real sex, not just women obedient to men reproducing classic power structures, not just objectified women, not just women giving pleasure but also receiving pleasure. Itâ€™s all about not falling into the stereotyping of characters that most porn filmmakers use, not every woman has to be a prostitute and not every man a mafia gangster. For me feminist porn should portray womenâ€™s fantasies and desires â€“ all of them. I certainly know that a woman can be a strong feminist and still wanting to be taken strongly by a man or enjoying blowing a manâ€™s cock or having his cum all over her face.</p>
<p>Erika Lust</p>
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